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thisisaangryangryboy	what attracts catholics		Lead	[-]
Registered User Posts: 3715 02/27/09 11:54 PM and this is his dog.	Remove this ad i guess there are others but its mostly catholics it seems to really graphic depictions of the crucifixion maybe if youre raised with it you get used to it i was raised babdist without all that and its always given me the creeps i mention it because armstrong decided to put something really graphic up in a new post i suppose this might lead to a discussion the passion of the christ and wouldnt that be fun but i decided to post anyway ive seen people get fairly extreme in their defenses like youre denying the two natures of christ or something if brutally violent images dont encourage your devotions i dont know ive always found it revolting Even after I stopped listening it was like being battered with tiny pingpong balls.
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chief wanker	Jesus Chainsaw Massacre	#1	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 2004 02/28/09 12:07 AM Divine Software Engineer	That's what a guy whose blog I read calls Mel's movie. I just can't be satisfied.
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jco2003	That is one of the more patent differences	#2	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 6076 02/28/09 04:19 AM A Gut-Level Hater of Freedom.	between Eastern and Western Catholic religious art. I've never seen a graphic depiction of the Passion in Eastern art.
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Anoetos	Louis CK	#3	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 2497 02/28/09 08:46 AM Depressed Lions Fan	Calls it "That movie where they just beat the shit out Jesus for two hours"
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Anoetos	I tend to agree	#4	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 2497 02/28/09 08:58 AM Depressed Lions Fan	I don't know what it is that attracts them to it. I know it may sound a bit elitist but I have heard/read that it has to do with "folk religion" in an essentially rural and post-pagan context never entirely extirpated by church authorities. But that doesn't really explain all the blood, does it? There are a lot of odd things in popular Catholic piety that I don;t understand and which tend to turn me off. The infant of Prague, for example, what the hell is this? Worshiping Jesus as a toddler all wrapped up in queenly regalia complete with a little crown. Not particularly bloody, but a little disturbing. I imagine hosts of little old Bohemian ladies weeping and crossing themselves, pining for their lost babies in an era and area of high infant mortality rates. There is a Slovak Catholic Church which every Holy Week trots out a life sized statue of Jesus right after the scourging and puts it right in the very front of the Chancel so you have to walk up to it when you go up to receive communion:
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.	We have an infant of Prague	#5	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 4263 02/28/09 09:10 AM Infidel Of Every Denomination	Passed down in my wife's family. I'd prefer putting it in ebay. Dudeness that can be known is not Dude. - The Dude De Ching
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jt apostate	good point	#6	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 19133 02/28/09 11:05 AM Low-Level Socialist Agitator	I imagine hosts of little old Bohemian ladies weeping and crossing themselves, pining for their lost babies in an era and area of high infant mortality rates. its on america's tortured brow that mickey mouse has grown up a cow
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thisisaangryangryboy	i have no problem with prayers to baby jesus	#7	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 3715 02/28/09 11:26 AM and this is his dog.	Even after I stopped listening it was like being battered with tiny pingpong balls.
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.	Not true.	#8	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 395 02/28/09 11:48 AM	I've never been in a Catholic Church where there was a gory crucifix in the front, with slabs of flesh hanging off and Jesus dirty and red with His own blood. The crucifix in our church was taken down and painted brown to match the woodwork, interestingly. I'm not sure why. It's being restored to its original colors at the moment, which means that Jesus will again look like He's just returned from a nice bath, and refreshed his loincloth and blow-dried his hair for the iconographers. Because that's how He really must have looked after being up all night and half a day of torture. I think the babdists might be the ones denying one of the two natures, iconoclasts that they are, and prefer to just think of Him as a spiritual being with no body to torture (or rise from the dead, for that matter). Religion's much more pleasant that way.
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thisisaangryangryboy	whats not true	#9	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 3715 02/28/09 12:00 PM and this is his dog.	i didnt say anything about whats in or not in particular churches i was speaking about general piety I think the babdists might be the ones denying one of the two natures, iconoclasts that they are, and prefer to just think of Him as a spiritual being with no body to torture (or rise from the dead, for that matter). Religion's much more pleasant that way. i noted specifically that catholics say that Even after I stopped listening it was like being battered with tiny pingpong balls.
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Anoetos	Me neither really	#10	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 2497 02/28/09 12:29 PM Depressed Lions Fan	Remove this ad But the statue is, IMO, weird
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Anoetos	Not just eastern and western	#11	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 2497 02/28/09 12:43 PM Depressed Lions Fan	But to some degree northern and southern... I've been thinking about this. It is almost completely absent from English Catholicism but I don't really know that it's a matter of the Englishness of their Catholicism so much as the fact that Catholicism is (or was until recently) a minority faith in England and therefore tuned to a more Anglican aesthetic. Similarly German and French Catholicism, so heavily influenced by the baroque, have a very different flavor...these being burgher societies. Protestantism is almost entirely devoid of this, but then, Protestantism developed in an age of Scholarship and folk-religion is an after-development, a kind of messy, mongoloid child of biblicism mixed with fanaticism mixed with nutter ideas about the apocalypse and piety. For Protestants folk religion is about wacky ideas, the iconography (see SDA grotesque or the covers of various millenarian books) serves the ideas. Folk religion during the formative years of Catholicism was quite different, darkened groves dedicated to a particular tutelary diety where blood rituals were done, etc. Very dark, very spooky. Whether this directly influenced the grotesque iconography we're talking about would be hard to say, but it remains that the environment was one much more prone to public drama and objectification. Maybe there is something there...morality plays and so on bringing Christ and his passion to the unwashed masses in as dramatic and as violent a way as possible and a certain variety of low caste iconography stems from it. Just spitballin' here
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jt apostate	ricky wonderbobby	#12	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 19133 02/28/09 01:08 PM Low-Level Socialist Agitator	its on america's tortured brow that mickey mouse has grown up a cow
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jco2003	That's a good point	#13	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 6076 02/28/09 01:09 PM A Gut-Level Hater of Freedom.	It's more mediterranean Catholicism than northern Catholicism.
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thisisaangryangryboy	possibly the greatest moment in the history of religious devotion	#14	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 3715 02/28/09 04:57 PM and this is his dog.	or the typically mundane premeal prayer at least Even after I stopped listening it was like being battered with tiny pingpong balls.
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thisisaangryangryboy	aside from the fact that you didnt get the reference	#15	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 3715 02/28/09 04:59 PM and this is his dog.	thats just personal preference im talking about the incongruence of nc17 rated religious devotion Even after I stopped listening it was like being battered with tiny pingpong balls.
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.	So what are you saying?	#16	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 395 02/28/09 05:35 PM	That you believe Catholics, generally, gravitate toward blood and gore? But yet this isn't displayed in most Catholic Churches? Is it that bloody, gory crucifixes are displayed in private Catholic homes? Really? In the circles I run in, private adoration and imagery preference looks more like this than this. If Catholics were really more turned on by blood and gore, The Front Porch might have had a different clientele, especially during its swan song. But wait, I just remembered it was orchestrated by a Catholic. Maybe you have a point after all. At least about some Catholics.
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Kibitzer123	Do they have to be offered by Ricky Bobby?	#17	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 13383 02/28/09 05:46 PM Facile Reductionist	I prefer teenage Jesus. Last Edited By: Kibitzer123 02/28/09 05:55 PM. Edited 1 time.
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thisisaangryangryboy	i didnt think i was being cryptic	#18	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 3715 02/28/09 05:51 PM and this is his dog.	or saying anything not generally acknowledged all i did was ask a question and describe how my own personal preferences differed hell you made an argument for why you think babdists dont like it so im sure you know what im talking about also if i wanted to ask why all catholics do it or do it exclusive of other forms of devotion im pretty sure i would have said that instead which is a long way of saying wtf are you talking about Even after I stopped listening it was like being battered with tiny pingpong balls.
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Kibitzer123	Duplicate	#19	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 13383 02/28/09 05:52 PM Facile Reductionist	. Last Edited By: Kibitzer123 02/28/09 05:57 PM. Edited 1 time.
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thisisaangryangryboy	that guy is really funny	#20	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 3715 02/28/09 06:03 PM and this is his dog.	Remove this ad did you see his recent hbo special great stuff Even after I stopped listening it was like being battered with tiny pingpong balls.
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what attracts catholics	02/27/09 11:54 PM	thisisaangryangryboy
Jesus Chainsaw Massacre	02/28/09 12:07 AM	chief wanker
Louis CK	02/28/09 08:46 AM	Anoetos
that guy is really funny	02/28/09 06:03 PM	thisisaangryangryboy
Yes, I did	02/28/09 06:31 PM	Anoetos
That is one of the more patent differences	02/28/09 04:19 AM	jco2003
Not just eastern and western	02/28/09 12:43 PM	Anoetos
That's a good point	02/28/09 01:09 PM	jco2003
thats as reasonable sounding an explanation as any except	02/28/09 06:06 PM	thisisaangryangryboy
I tend to agree	02/28/09 08:58 AM	Anoetos
i have no problem with prayers to baby jesus	02/28/09 11:26 AM	thisisaangryangryboy
Me neither really	02/28/09 12:29 PM	Anoetos
aside from the fact that you didnt get the reference	02/28/09 04:59 PM	thisisaangryangryboy
ricky wonderbobby	02/28/09 01:08 PM	jt apostate
possibly the greatest moment in the history of religious devotion	02/28/09 04:57 PM	thisisaangryangryboy
Do they have to be offered by Ricky Bobby?	02/28/09 05:46 PM	Kibitzer123
Duplicate	02/28/09 05:52 PM	Kibitzer123
good point	02/28/09 11:05 AM	jt apostate
whats not true	02/28/09 12:00 PM	thisisaangryangryboy
i didnt think i was being cryptic	02/28/09 05:51 PM	thisisaangryangryboy
i have only skimmed the posts wonderboy, so i am probably not up to speed	02/28/09 06:29 PM	jt apostate
are you suggesting that lady dormies recent reappearance here	02/28/09 08:09 PM	thisisaangryangryboy
only its not personal, i think its a mass movement, perhaps having to do with estrogen levels	02/28/09 08:58 PM	jt apostate
i keep thinking there is a reason	03/01/09 09:59 PM	thisisaangryangryboy
i like the episcopal hymnal as i was explaining to my wife the other day and	03/01/09 11:30 PM	jt apostate
relax	03/01/09 01:31 AM	jt apostate
Blood and gore.	02/28/09 07:14 PM	SteveShack
the statues of the Blessed Virgin shooting milk all over the souls in purgatory	02/28/09 11:38 PM	thisisaangryangryboy
reactionary hogwash	03/01/09 01:57 AM	jt apostate
i at least admire your honesty in defending	03/01/09 12:07 PM	jt apostate
The Miraculous Lactation of St. Bernard	03/01/09 11:43 AM	Anoetos
i honestly thought she was joking	03/01/09 11:55 AM	thisisaangryangryboy
where would we all be without sexual repression	03/01/09 12:09 PM	jt apostate
good point since theology had absolutely no impact	03/01/09 03:15 PM	jt apostate
i see	03/01/09 06:17 PM	thisisaangryangryboy
that doesnt even make sense	03/01/09 09:21 PM	thisisaangryangryboy
wait was that a joke	03/01/09 09:51 PM	thisisaangryangryboy
its so weird reading posts like that and realizing that at one time	03/02/09 01:55 PM	jt apostate
in any case it doesnt have anything to do with the question	03/02/09 02:02 PM	thisisaangryangryboy
then you must not have read my post	03/02/09 02:51 PM	thisisaangryangryboy
i thought the association she was referring to was	03/02/09 11:59 PM	thisisaangryangryboy
Then what explains their aversion?	03/02/09 11:10 PM	jco2003
the second commandment	03/02/09 11:41 PM	thisisaangryangryboy
geez joe the whole of byzantium went that route for quite a bit	03/03/09 01:28 AM	jt apostate
Someone should make it into a fountain.	03/01/09 04:40 PM	SteveShack
now that you mention it	03/01/09 06:15 PM	thisisaangryangryboy
maybe its that he didnt cry	03/01/09 08:08 PM	thisisaangryangryboy
It is a real painting	03/01/09 07:28 PM	Anoetos
Heathen Rationalist!!! (NT)	03/02/09 07:44 AM	Anoetos
I saw that painting at the Prado Museum in Madrid	03/02/09 08:07 AM	nmcgillivray
That's part of it	03/01/09 05:34 PM	jco2003
Lighten up	02/28/09 09:46 PM	Anoetos

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