and its all pissy because
the union wont make
further concessions
why the fuck should they
the union wont make
further concessions
why the fuck should they
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so ford makes almost a billion dollars this quarter |
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a working person doesnt want to take a 40 buck a week pay cut he is a selfish unamerican bastard | #1 | ||
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Posts: 8858 11/04/09 03:07 PM Strange and Misunderstood |
yet its competely illegal and immoral to ask ford executives to try to get by on less than 500k a year and fly fucking coach
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Posts: 5521 11/04/09 03:36 PM |
Total 2008 compensation for the five current named executive officers is:
but hey
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the other thing the long term stock options are not taxable | #3 | ||
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Posts: 8860 11/04/09 04:21 PM Strange and Misunderstood |
until they start selling them
they have the ability to essentially start a gigantic savings account tax free and why should these guys get bonuses for darn near driving the company into a ditch and for hiring lobbyists to campaign against the best interests of the country in favor of ford which if they had of listened to everyone and gone with the requested cafe standards we wouldnt be in the pickle we are in or at least to a smaller extent
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i almost forgot | #4 | ||
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Posts: 8861 11/04/09 04:24 PM Strange and Misunderstood |
We are sick and tired
Of being promised this and that. We work all day, we sweat and slave To keep the wealthy fat. They fill our heads with promises And bamboozle us with facts, Then they put on false sincerity Then they laugh behind our backs. Money and Corruption Are ruining the land Crooked politicians Betray the working man, Pocketing the profits And treating us like sheep, And we're tired of hearing promises That we know they'll never keep.
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Well they can recover it by not paying their dues | #5 | ||
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Posts: 8219 11/04/09 04:39 PM Responsible Jewish Person
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Why is it that only union members are working people? What about the rest of us?
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They should because the money they make also keeps the company | #6 | ||
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going. Plus unions are not people. They have mountains of useless and costly BS that inhibits companies from growth. Unions are half the problem with American
industry and they end up costing jobs. That is why Detroit is a failure and Tokyo and Seoul are not. They have the balance of a fair wage without union thugs
inhibiting further profitability. Which is, btw, why companies exist.
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because it was the union ford was asking concessions from | #7 | ||
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Posts: 5522 11/04/09 04:49 PM |
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The "working person" was in contrast to the executive | #8 | ||
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Posts: 1989 11/04/09 04:59 PM |
The terminology is a class warfare thing, not a union concession thing.
Though I agree that the executives ought to be taking a lot more in cuts than the workers on the assembly lines and whatnot.
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unions are not people | #9 | ||
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Posts: 8862 11/04/09 05:02 PM Strange and Misunderstood |
only executives are
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doesnt your bad knee hurt when you jerk it like that | #10 | ||
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Posts: 5523 11/04/09 05:04 PM |
even the ceo didnt have
enough hubris to make a big deal about the rejection dude they made almost a billion dollars this quarter and with the stock up 237.5 percent over the past year dont even you think at some point that the millions upon millions that these guys make while they try to take advantage of the concessions offered to companies going through bankruptcy isnt just a tad i dont know cynical at least do you have any moral principles whatsoever when it comes to the conduct of business but maybe youre right i guess if we got rid of the unions companies that make a billion dollars a quarter with executives that rake in tens of millions a year wouldnt try to squeeze every last penny out of their employees anymore |
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corporations are people as well | #11 | ||
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Posts: 5524 11/04/09 05:08 PM |
legal persons anyway |
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oh lord | #12 | ||
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Posts: 5526 11/04/09 05:16 PM |
this is like catholics who
get annoyed about being called roman catholics or baptists who get annoyed about being called protestants is it really necessary to get bogged down in semantics when we all know that whats being discussed is the distinction between management and labor is there really that much of a difference between saying labor which is standard and no one gets upset about and worker management and labor executives and workers big fucking deal |
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ps yes i know you agreed with me and yes i know that i | #13 | ||
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Posts: 5527 11/04/09 05:23 PM |
deliberately ignored it
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Not either/or. It's both/and | #14 | ||
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Unions are not necessary. They are a hindrance now that the law protects workers. Union bureaucrats are not about worker or the company. They are about the
organization and power. They are the same as corporations really. Just less productive.
The fact that most American workers are not in unions is proof that unions are obsolete. All they are are political tools. In fact unions keep people down. There is always a cap on earning if you are union. That is why most professions don't have unions. Professionals like to make money and advance in life. Unions workers are slaves. |
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That was clever | #15 | ||
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they could pay their workers more if the unions were not in the way with their stupid, productivity impeding rules. "I can't pick up that wrench on
the floor, my job say I can only use screwdrivers!". Don't equate "union" with "employee". They are two different entities.
Unions don't care about the companies success. Good workers do.
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of course they could | #16 | ||
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Posts: 5530 11/04/09 06:06 PM |
but they wouldnt
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Zerubbabel |
Numerous industries prove that is not true | #17 | ||
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competition leads to compensation. A skilled plumber, electician or mechanic will make good money, better money without unions. It is unskilled union work that
gets top dollar that is a scam. Example, I know a guy who can only do the labor he does in MA because it is needed for offices building, basically setting up
and breaking down cubicles. They are union and they make really good money because the union made sure that non union competition does not exist. Since they
are the only ones who do it they demand big money for unskilled work. He cannot leave the state to go anywhere else because such work gets paid what it is
worth elsewhere. But any skill that is an actual profession will get top dollar. Especially since trades are in great demand because everyone things college is
the only way so we have a deficit in skilled tradespeople. They need unions as much as laywers and doctors do. Meaning they don't at all.
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jt apostate |
zbabz so how much does a non-union skilled plumber make these days | #18 | ||
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Posts: 8863 11/04/09 07:33 PM Strange and Misunderstood |
how much is that cubicle mover making? how much is too much? wtf are you begrudging him his wage?
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you are trying very hard to avoid the topic at hand | #19 | ||
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Posts: 5532 11/04/09 07:46 PM |
ford made a billion dollars this quarter
and still tried to push its employees to give more concessions what about that gives you the impression that ford would not have asked for concessions and in fact would actually pay them more if there were no union fuck ford wasnt even supposed to be able to do what its done mitt romeny in the wsj et al told us that the situation was so dire that there would be no survivors yet did i mention that ford made almost a billion dollars this quarter seriously how the fuck did they make a billion dollars i dont begrudge successful executives making a lot of money i wouldnt begrudge the ford guys making all the money theyre going to make this year for doing what theyve done if they werent trying to screw the poor schmoes who dont make in a year what they make in an week all this crying poor in the mouth by guys who make shitloads of money is at least understandable i guess its a game and theyre trying to win but why youre defending them is beyond me take a look at how the ratio of executive pay to worker pay has gone through the stratosphere over the past few decades and then tell me what the fuck unions have to do with anything its unconscionable |
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If it came from you, I would agree | #20 | ||
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Posts: 1990 11/04/09 08:16 PM |
but it was JT who said it
and he tends to say it as part of marxist class warfare terminology so i was just explaining what i thought dave might be referring to since you seemed to not get it bonehead
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